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Living Instead of Working: My Interview With Jonathan Mead

by Nadia on July 10, 2009 posted in Economy,Interviews,Life

Due to the current economic situation, more and more people are being laid off from their jobs. Unemployment rates in America are the highest they have been in a very long time. Many are trying to find work yet despite all of this, I have come to notice that more and more people are talking about making a change when it comes to their careers.

I grew up in a house where my dad loved his job. He used to tell me that he would do it for free and was always amazed when he got money for the work he did. My mother, on the other hand, did not love her job but she loved what it allowed her to do. I always used to think how I would love to feel about my career the way that my dad did.

For years, I struggled with this whole career issue. My passion has always been writing but I had tremendous resistance from family so I did not go down that path as a full time career. I always kept writing on the side and did all kinds of other jobs to pay the bills.

 

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Recently, I have come to see that I am getting tired of this old way of living and I want to merge the two. I want to earn a living doing what I love. I am not alone in this anymore. More and more people want to do what they love. Maybe one of the hidden blessings of the economic crisis is that the situation is forcing people to re-evaluate. Maybe now more of us will do what we love as opposed to just doing it to pay the bills.

With all of this in mind, I decided to contact a fellow blogger, Jonathan Mead to share his thoughts about the whole issue. Jonathan’s focus as a blogger is to help more and more people make a living doing what they love.

Here is what we talked about:

What prompted you to start your blog?

I started my blog because I wanted an outlet to share my thoughts on self-development and provide a different take than the typical approach. I would often roll my eyes at how cheesy some personal development blogs and books seemed. Their message was good, it was just that their delivery doesn’t speak to certain people. I wanted to speak to those people that conventional self-help authors miss.

Was your original intention to be known for wanting to help people have a job that they love? If not, how did this new direction come into existence?

It’s always been my goal to do what I love for a living, so to be involved in a project that helps others do the same was a natural fit for me. This wasn’t my goal originally, and teaching people how to make a living doing what they love, is not my primary aim with what I teach. Self-development is still the main focus, but purpose and career is an integral part of that, so it’s all really intertwined.

As a result of the economy, more and more people are thinking of new ways to make money. So there is definitely a shift in perception regarding the future of work. How do you see the whole concept of “work”? How do you envision the future?

I think the major shift will happen when people realize that it is much more practical do something you enjoy for a living. Motivation and excellence is an automatic side-effect of being passionate about your work, so it’s much easier to reach the top of your game this way. And when you’re at the top of your game and can provide tons of value to others, you put yourself in high demand.

As far as whether more people will work for themselves, that seems to be the trend as well. But I think there will always be a certain percentage of people that would rather be employed. Running your own business involves a lot more responsibility and attention to detail, not everyone is cut out for it.

How do you define “work”?

That’s a really interesting question, because that’s something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. Honestly, I’m not sure I can answer that question because the whole concept of what’s “work” and what’s “not work,” has been getting really fuzzy for me lately. Work in the traditional sense is how you earn your living, pay the bills, and contribute to society. But the idea that work and play are separate and distinct, that concept is falling away from me. Ultimately, what you really want is to not be able to tell your labor and your leisure apart, right?

I know you are a believer in doing something that you are passionate about, how did you find your passion and what is your advice for those who have no idea what it is that fills their hearts with joy?

I found my passion the same way everyone else does, by listening to my heart. But that’s not always the easiest thing to do when you have a lot of useless beliefs about what you “should” be doing and what is practical. So the best advice I can give is to give yourself permission to be passionate. If you don’t think you’re worthy or deserving of having passion for what you do, you will always have a reason for not finding your passion. But when you feel that you are entitled to being passionate about what you do, then opportunities and possibilities will start being manifested to you.

 

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You recently started Project Mojave. Can you share what it is and if you will be taking new people sometime soon?

Project Mojave is basically a university of sorts for people wanting to break free from dead-end jobs and work for themselves. We teach people how to create a “freedom business” that is easily automated and allows you greater latitude in your life.

We will be taking new people soon, but I don’t have the exact details at the moment. The best thing you can do is go to Project Mojave and enter your email address. You’ll be updated as soon as there is more information on when the next enrollment will begin.

As you know, I am a vegan and into raw food, how is the journey going for you? Has it made any difference in how you see life and if so, what is the difference?

It’s been really great for me. I started out really excited and went into eating raw 100% at the beginning of the year. Since then, I’ve eased into a more 80% raw diet to simplify things a bit more for me.

It has definitely had an impact on the way I relate to food. Eating raw makes you more aware of the life and energy of your food. And I think it really makes you take a hard look at your relationship to food as well. Eating raw is all about relating to food as fuel and nourishment for the body. With much of cooked, processed foods, our relationship with our food is more addictive and unhealthy.

What would you consider your motto or philosophy for life/living?

My philosophy is to follow what makes you come alive. To do that, we have to ruthlessly pursue our own internal liberation. When we feel inhibited, we can see that we’ve placed some arbitrary limit on ourselves. When we recognize this, it’s a sign that we need to pay close attention. Why are we limited? Is this a real limit, or is it imagined and self-imposed?

So I guess you could say my philosophy in life is to live without limits. I like the taste of freedom.

To find out more about Jonathan Mead, visit his blog Illuminated Mind. He is also a regular contributor at Zen Habits. Special thanks to Jonathan for taking the time to talk to me.

Note: To read more about the reasons behind my new schedule change, click here.

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janice July 10, 2009 at 6:22 am

Well done for trusting your instincts and reaching out to Jonathan, Nadia! Great questions. I’m loving that you’re reaching out and giving us a chance to get to know familiar people from a different perspective.

@ Jonathan, I agree entirely with the idea that our ‘work’ in life is to do what makes us come alive. The world needs more of it. There are a million and one blogs aiming to help others get rid of their tolerations and self limiting beliefs; there are another million trying to help people find happiness or right livelihood. That’s why it’s so important to do everything we can to discover our own passions and authentic voice. To live through the learning and pass it on. That’s what folk really want from us. A glimpse of the unique way we filter the world and process our passion.

I’m guessing from your photo that I’m twice your age, yet all I can add to the wisdom that you and Nadia discussed is that yes, it does work. I’ve had a patchwork life and several ‘careers’, but all of them doing what I love, regardless of what I earn from them. It’s a good way to live.
.-= janice´s last blog ..How to Breathe Life Into Your Writing =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 9:12 am

Hi Janice,

Glad you enjoyed the interview and thank you for sharing your thoughts about the whole work issue.

I think many things in life boil down to perception. We have to make a choice as to how we see our lives and live according to that decision. :)

Lance July 10, 2009 at 7:54 am

Hi Nadia,
Some really great questions here for Jonathan! And it all fits so well with the thoughts that have been bouncing around in my brain as of recent.

Hi Jonathan,
Finding our passion – that really is a great place to get to. Do we give ourselves permission to do this? I think that too often, we just don’t take the time, we get caught up in doing what we’ve always done…and you know where that gets us (to where we’ve always been). For me, it’s been about really taking time to “be”, and in doing so – connecting to my soul. Getting to this spot has been so life-affirming! Jonathan, thanks much for sharing a bit of your insight here today.
.-= Lance´s last blog ..There Is Greatness Within =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 9:13 am

Hi Lance,

I am so happy that you liked the interview and for sharing your thoughts. Yay for connecting to the soul…life is truly about just being. :)

Evelyn Lim July 10, 2009 at 8:34 am

Great choice in interviewing Jonathan, Nadia!! I have known Jonathan since beginning of last year (??). It is nice that he has taken concrete steps in moving towards his dream of being his own boss.

Most certainly, work does not feel like “work” in the traditional sense, when we are having fun! I like the idea of working or playing as and when I want to.
.-= Evelyn Lim´s last blog ..Love The Man In The Mirror =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 9:14 am

Hi Evelyn,

Thank you, Evelyn for the kind words! :) Yes, work is not work when we are enjoying what we are doing. Sounds so simple and obvious but yet society has lost sight of that perception.

Hope all is well! :)

Positively Present July 10, 2009 at 9:33 am

What a wonderful interview! Thanks for interviewing Jonathan, Nadia, and, Jonathan, thanks for sharing your insights on Happy Lotus! :) I’m so interested in the idea of working on living rather than working so that we can live. I really do think the world of work is changing and some of Jonathan’s ideas are at the forefront of that change!

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Hi Dani,

I am happy that you enjoyed the interview. I agree with you that due to the current economic status, concepts regarding work are changing. There is definitely a change in the air! Yay! :)

Lisis July 10, 2009 at 9:49 am

I like the taste of freedom, too… that’s why my hubby is quitting next week with no other job in hand, mid-recession. I guess we’ll find out what we are really made of, huh? Time for the adventure of a lifetime!

:)
.-= Lisis´s last blog ..Fellowship Fridays: Cultivating Confidence =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Hi Lisis,

Freedom is never given, it is taken. I read that somewhere and I believe that it is true. Good for your husband for doing what is right for him and I have no doubt all will work out for the best. It always does. Life is a total adventure. :)

Jill July 10, 2009 at 9:56 am

Fabulous interview. I consider living from the heart my current job. I don’t need to make money right now, but I know that when the time comes I’ll fall into something I love because I have learned how to listen to my heart.

Love your blog, Jonathan.
.-= Jill´s last blog ..Passion & balance =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Hi Jill,

Good for you! :) I always believe that if there is any philosophy to have about life it is that we should live by listening to what our hearts tell us to do. That is how I live my life and it has never lead me in the wrong direction. I think that is true for everyone who listens to their heart.

J.D. Meier July 10, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Beautiful insights and interview.

3 things that have helped me:
1. Funding your life style – I think of work as both creating value and funding my life style. It’s a balance. Everything is always a trade-off. Working on my own could be a lot more overhead than working in an established business.
2. Find the job you love, or love the one you’ve got – I’ve re-invented my job over the years, even though I’ve been in the same job. I grew my job and I grew myself. So many times I thought the grass was greener somewhere else and then I experimented to find it wasn’t.
3. Live your why and how – this is the core of it all. The “what” is interchangable. Once you know your personal why and how for things, you really can bring your game anywhere – whether for yourself or for a business.
.-= J.D. Meier´s last blog ..Likeability is a Skill =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Hi J.D.,

Thank you for sharing your three insights on working. What I loved the most about your comment was the idea of finding the job you love or love the one you got. As I wrote on your blog a couple of days ago, I realized that even though I may not love what I do, I do love what my job provides for me. I truly am blessed to have a job that enables me to pay the bills, buy the things I love and it enables me to do what I love most which is write. It also provides me lots of material for my writing.

You are right, it is all about finding a balance that truly reflects who we are. Hope all is awesome! :)

vikum July 10, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Hi Nadia and Jonathan,
This is an awesome interview and learned a lot from here. Especially “follow what makes you come alive ” is carved to my mind.
Thanks a lot.
.-= vikum´s last blog ..The power of focusing =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Hi Vikum,

I am glad that you enjoyed today’s post and that Jonathan’s answers made such a positive impact on you! Have a great day! :)

Hilary July 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Hi Nadia and Jonathan – what a great post .. and the interesting diffeences when your Dad was working versus your Mum and their thoughts about their own jobs.

The opportunity the net has given us is to connect with all these wonderful ideas, see the comments, read others’ views, understand we’re all the same .. especially the ones that want to get out of the box and be passionate and be free – and that we actually can do our thing in this world … simple steps forward .. with guidance and knowledge behind us ..

Great post – thank you both of you ..
Hilary Melton-Butcher
Positive Letters
.-= Hilary´s last blog ..What do you do to get blackberries? =-.

Nadia July 10, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Hi Hilary,

I totally agree with all that you wrote. The Internet definitely has helped to open all of our eyes to the possibilites that are out there and has also helped us realize how we all pretty much deal with the same issues. It is amazing to think that ten years ago, there was no such thing as blogs or Twitter. Times surely have changed. It will be wonderful to see what the future holds! :)

Katie West/The Levity Coach July 13, 2009 at 9:59 am

Nadia,
I am so happy to see Jonathan highlighted on your blog with an interview. He is an incredible example of what is out there for everyone if we allow ourselves to open to the possibilities. Jonathan is inspiring in his ability to realize the importance of being true to who we are and that that is actually the key to success and freedom. He really practices the idea of being unapologetic about your message. I have found this invaluable.
Katie
.-= Katie West/The Levity Coach´s last blog ..Introducing the “15 minutes” series =-.

Nadia July 13, 2009 at 10:11 am

Hi Katie,

You are right about how he truly practices the idea of being true to who we are and being unapologetic about the message. I think those are a couple of reasons why so many people appreciate his work and what he is trying to do. The concept of “work” is one that holds so many meanings and so many people struggle with the idea of what to do and how to make living. I think it is great that he is bringing a focus to that important subject. :)

Mark Foo | TheBigDreamer.com July 15, 2009 at 11:35 am

Way to go, Nadia! Earning a living doing what I love is something I’ve been pursuing. It’s great to know there’re so many other people going down this path and I feel less lonely now. It’s not an easy path to walk when it’s the road less travelled.

Thank you so much for doing this interview and Jonathan is definitely someone we can learn a lot from. I truly enjoy reading this interview. :)

Cheers~

Mark
.-= Mark Foo | TheBigDreamer.com´s last blog ..Want To Escape The Rat Race? Learn From Those Who Did =-.

Nadia July 15, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Hi Mark,

I am so happy that you really liked the interview and you are not alone. I think more people struggle with this than they let on. I truly feel this way because if people were so happy at work, then we would not see all the misery that we see. At least that has been my experience here. :)

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